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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> they're not backing down, of course. they're also running misleading radio ads on the same topic. in cities like dayton and toledo. michael steele is the former chairman, honest chairman, of the rnc and ron reagan is a radio talk show hosts. both of my guests are msnbc political analysts. i want to start with ron. this stuff, you know, weeks ago the romney campaign said, we're not going to let this campaign be run by fact-checkers. i mean, i have never heard it said -- you just say we don't care if you find out we're lying. lying is a bad word. we don't care if you catch us. we're going to keep doing it. because we're desperate. >> yeah, well, they may be desperate. ohio is going to be the clincher for this election. everybody has been saying it and it's probably true. mitt romney probably hopes that the truth isn't going to find him in ohio. he's been a shape-shifter his entire political career. this shouldn't surprise us. a
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for every american job. >> they're not backing down, of course. they're also running misleading radio ads on the same topic. in cities like dayton and toledo. michael steele is the former chairman, honest chairman, of the rnc and ron reagan is a radio talk show hosts. both of my guests are msnbc political analysts. i want to start with ron. this stuff, you...
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. >> reporter: after independent fact checkers raised questions about the ads charges, chrysler ceo issued his own statement writing, jeep production will not be moved from the united states to china. it's inaccurate to suggest anything different. but the romney campaign stands by the ad, noting to nbc news, that chrysler ceo never disputed any actual facts in their ads. so, brian, a couple things, number one, the president still not campaigning on the campaign trail tomorrow. instead he will tour new jersey with governor chris christie tomorrow, some of the damaged areas. mitt romney, is resuming a full campaign schedule tomorrow. he'll be in the battleground state of florida. >> all right, chuck todd at the white house tonight. chuck, thanks. >>> when we come back, back to our storm coverage, specifically, a moment of crisis for a big hospital that included a lot of newborns who needed to move quickly. [ dennis ] it
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. >> reporter: after independent fact checkers raised questions about the ads charges, chrysler ceo issued his own statement writing, jeep production will not be moved from the united states to china. it's inaccurate to suggest anything different. but the romney campaign stands by the ad, noting to nbc news, that chrysler ceo never disputed any actual facts in their ads. so,...
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the ad says under president obama, gm cut 15,000 jobs and planning to double the number of cars built in china. and the ad said chrysler also plans to start making jeeps in china. but a general motors spokesman told "the detroit free press," quote, we've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days. no amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the u.s. and repatriating profits back into this country. okay. >> willie, what do you think of cargate? >> cargate. they shouldn't lie. >> i think it's subjectively untrue. the ad. i think that pretty much ends it, right? it's false. no? >> what romney said on the stump was false. the ad is true. >> right. >> it's misleading, but it's true. >> explain what you mean. >> i'm sorry. what? >> production in the u.s. that exists. they're making jeeps in the u.s., selling them in the u.s. they're talking about making jeeps to sell in china in china. romney initially suggested on the stump, wrongly, that they were going to move all jeep production to china, including selling -- bu
the ad says under president obama, gm cut 15,000 jobs and planning to double the number of cars built in china. and the ad said chrysler also plans to start making jeeps in china. but a general motors spokesman told "the detroit free press," quote, we've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days. no amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the u.s. and repatriating profits back into this country. okay....
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president obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. taxpayers still stand to lose $25 billion from the president's politically managed bankruptcy. these companies, chrysler in particular, we know their story, are now choosing to expand manufacturing overseas. these are the facts. >> remember the president talked about romnesia? well, it's contagious. congressman ryan. congressman ryan's caught it. let me tell you the facts. congressman ryan voted with us. he voted in the congress with us. >> joining me now, msnbc's joy reid and robert reich, former clinton labor secretary, university of california at berkeley economics professor, and author of "beyond outrage." joy reid, do you know florida? has no one told jeb bush this thing about his brother's lack of popularity with the american public? >> poor jeb keeps trying. he tried it at the convention too. he just tries to slip george in there every so often. >> you can't blame a brother, though. >> he loves his brother. you know, he keeps trying to get him back on the stage, and republicans
president obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. taxpayers still stand to lose $25 billion from the president's politically managed bankruptcy. these companies, chrysler in particular, we know their story, are now choosing to expand manufacturing overseas. these are the facts. >> remember the president talked about romnesia? well, it's contagious. congressman ryan. congressman ryan's caught it. let me tell you the facts. congressman ryan voted with us. he voted in the congress with...
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gm calls romney's ads politics at its cynical worst. >> what you have there are the two latest ads. as you know, tv is only part of this those days. if you turned on your radio lately, you have noticed a onslaught aimed for and against president obama and mitt romney. >> romney as a millionaire who uses loopholes to pay a lower tax rate than nurses and police. romney's plan makes midel class families pay more. $2,000 a year while giving multimillionaires a tax cut. >> and what would you do now if you were barack obama? you would attack with ads spice and what some call unfair and untrue. ads that are, quote, blowing smoke, go too far and supported my more evidence. >> reporter: so they go back and forth and forth and back. the question here is are any voters listening anymore? even though many have made up their minds, they're growing tired of ads from both sides of the race. >> if i sigh see it and hear it, i will turn it off and go on with my day. >> i turn them down. i have gotten to the point where i don't want to hear it on either side. >> either side? >> i tune them out. >> th
gm calls romney's ads politics at its cynical worst. >> what you have there are the two latest ads. as you know, tv is only part of this those days. if you turned on your radio lately, you have noticed a onslaught aimed for and against president obama and mitt romney. >> romney as a millionaire who uses loopholes to pay a lower tax rate than nurses and police. romney's plan makes midel class families pay more. $2,000 a year while giving multimillionaires a tax cut. >> and what...
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both chrysler and gm are firing back at romney. chrysler ceo said in a statement jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the united states and will con sstitute th backbone of the grand. it is inaccurate to suggest anything different. a gm spokesman told the detroit news, quote, we've clearly enter ed some parallel universe during the last few days, no amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish the record of creating jobs in the united states. remember, this new romney jeep ad claims that all factual statements in it, the implication is different, but the statements themselves say jeep is being built in china, which the ad says for the implication, of course, is this idea that they're moving some operations out of ohio to china and that's what both gm and chrysler are fighting back on is that perception. ohio papers pummeling romney for the ad. they called it a ploy in an editorial yesterday and said romney is flailing in ohio. and don't forget that detroit, where the free press is heavily criticized rom
both chrysler and gm are firing back at romney. chrysler ceo said in a statement jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the united states and will con sstitute th backbone of the grand. it is inaccurate to suggest anything different. a gm spokesman told the detroit news, quote, we've clearly enter ed some parallel universe during the last few days, no amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish the record of creating jobs in the united states. remember, this new...
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he is basically saying that the president of the united states, his bailout, is plotting with the gm and chrysler to send american jobs overseas to china. this is beyond a guy double parking outside of north ridge -- >> if mark is correct, and there was an internal fight, and i think we all think there had to be, because this is a pants on fire ad, the person who decides that in the end is the candidate. >> well -- >> no -- four years ago, mccain decided not to run ads that went after the jeremiah wright stuff. that was his decision to similarly, this had to be a romney decision. >> "i'm mitt romney and i --" >> a silly decision. i was in china a couple years ago and the thing that really struck me was the extent to which the u.s. car manufacturers have penetrated that market. >> we should be wanting -- >> exporting. >> but we want to build them here. >> we do build some of them here, and some of them get finished there. penetrating markets helps us. >> what degree of the shamelessness campaigns engage in towards the end bread and this is important, mccain did the right thing -- we'r
he is basically saying that the president of the united states, his bailout, is plotting with the gm and chrysler to send american jobs overseas to china. this is beyond a guy double parking outside of north ridge -- >> if mark is correct, and there was an internal fight, and i think we all think there had to be, because this is a pants on fire ad, the person who decides that in the end is the candidate. >> well -- >> no -- four years ago, mccain decided not to run ads that...
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between the romney and obama campaign about jobs related to the auto industry, particularly jeep and gm. how do you see the auto bailout and how it's going to play in this election? >> well, there's no question that the manufacturing numbers have been a modest positive in few years. not up by a huge amount. we're not anywhere near getting back all the industrial jobs that we lost in the recession. but it's between then and a mild positive. ohio has been a beneficiary of that. not just in the auto industry, but in a variety of manufacturing areas. but ohio is benefiting other areas in terms of health. the health sector is doing fairly well. the health sector is benefiting from the oil and gas deals. so modest positives on the economic and jobs front for the state of ohio. the issue, i think, for obama is that people are thinking about a lot more than just the economy and the automotive side specifically and, of course, the governor of ohio, john kasich, is tying to contribute anything that is positive to his administration as opposed to that of barack obama. >> that we have seen. jim, th
between the romney and obama campaign about jobs related to the auto industry, particularly jeep and gm. how do you see the auto bailout and how it's going to play in this election? >> well, there's no question that the manufacturing numbers have been a modest positive in few years. not up by a huge amount. we're not anywhere near getting back all the industrial jobs that we lost in the recession. but it's between then and a mild positive. ohio has been a beneficiary of that. not just in...
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. >> obama took gm and chrysler in bankruptcy. and sold chrysler to italians when will build jeeps in china. >> you don't scare up workers to scare up votes. that is not what it is about. >> chris: isn't that a mistake, when gm and chrysler said the ad was misleading and the fact is, that chrysler, far from shipping jobs to hoshohio is expanding operations in toledo? >> well, i find it interesting that the president would attack governor romney on that, when they put up an ad, saying that, you know, governor romney let detroit go bankrupt when that is a headline from "the new york times" op-ed. and, the second thing, is president obama talking about scaring people, when,esterday he's out there saying, voting is the best revenge. so, it gets back to a president who says, when you can't talk about big issues, you talk about small things. so, rather than talking about a $16 trillion deficit, or 12 million jobs or putting america back to work, he is talking about big bird and he's talking about voting for revenge. so, that is why you
. >> obama took gm and chrysler in bankruptcy. and sold chrysler to italians when will build jeeps in china. >> you don't scare up workers to scare up votes. that is not what it is about. >> chris: isn't that a mistake, when gm and chrysler said the ad was misleading and the fact is, that chrysler, far from shipping jobs to hoshohio is expanding operations in toledo? >> well, i find it interesting that the president would attack governor romney on that, when they put up...
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months later when gm and chrysler asked pour more taxpayer money, congress refused. so the president did it on his own. >> we cannot and must not and we will not let our auto industry simply vanish. >> and he went against the advice of his own -- some cases, his own advisers. >> he bailed out the auto industry anyway in a wildly unpopular move opposed by nearly three quarters of americans. as well as his future republican opponent mitt romney. at first the restructuring of the industry cost thousands their jobs. >> when you look at everything from the auto bailout which was very unpopular at the time. if i'd been leading with emotions or had my political hat on, we might not have done, but saved a million jobs. >> ultimately, the bailout saved jobs and it provided the industry a safety net. but the president was not effective at selling it. >> it would be great if you were sitting down for an hour-long lecture in a classroom but not necessarily try to sell it to the public. he doesn't think in sound bites. >> while the president pushed forward on his agenda, his crit
months later when gm and chrysler asked pour more taxpayer money, congress refused. so the president did it on his own. >> we cannot and must not and we will not let our auto industry simply vanish. >> and he went against the advice of his own -- some cases, his own advisers. >> he bailed out the auto industry anyway in a wildly unpopular move opposed by nearly three quarters of americans. as well as his future republican opponent mitt romney. at first the restructuring of the...
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back in 09 when gm was getting bailed out delphi was going through bankruptcy and there were lots of employees salaried and union who were asking nervous questions about their pensions. >> how is our healthcare looking after retirement? how is our pension looking? everything is good. pension plan is well funded. >> we were told that everything was secure in your pension, and you plan on that for the rest of your life. >> until like its dayton area plants delphi shut down the employee pension plans handing them off to the federal government. >> when my pension went from 2,500 $50 a month guaranteed to the federal government saying you'll get $385 a month. >> and you spend years and years making your financial plan for retirement and going through all the numbers and wanting to live like you wanted to live and with your children and grandchildren, and then it gets taken away from you in a heartbeat. i feel absolutely betrayed. >> enter delphi's biggest auto parts customer gm and the obama administration's eagerness for a quick restructuring of the automaker, gm wanting labor peace agre
back in 09 when gm was getting bailed out delphi was going through bankruptcy and there were lots of employees salaried and union who were asking nervous questions about their pensions. >> how is our healthcare looking after retirement? how is our pension looking? everything is good. pension plan is well funded. >> we were told that everything was secure in your pension, and you plan on that for the rest of your life. >> until like its dayton area plants delphi shut down the...
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. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians building jeeps in china. >> chrysler issued a statement last week saying jeep has intention of shifting production of jeep models out of the north america to china. this president said this election is about trust. we have chrysler saying that romney was flat-out wrong, but he's still pushing this issue. do you believe that governor romney for the readers of "the register" is the candidate that should be trusted? >> it's great to be with you today. speaking as the editor and also as a member of the editorial, i want to preface that this was a five-member editorial board that sfent an awful lot of time looking at the candidates, the campaigns, the issues and platforms and visions and spent a lot of time being deliberative and thoughtful in our decision as it relates to the endorsement. at end of the day what we've heard repeatedly, thomas, for several, several months, through this whole cycle is the importance of the economic recovery in iowa. that's what our readers and voters in iowa are most concerned abou
. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians building jeeps in china. >> chrysler issued a statement last week saying jeep has intention of shifting production of jeep models out of the north america to china. this president said this election is about trust. we have chrysler saying that romney was flat-out wrong, but he's still pushing this issue. do you believe that governor romney for the readers of "the register" is the candidate that...
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that's a gm product that is the direct result of the president's intervention to bail out the automobile industry. >> as a former commander yourself, how do you think the president's done this week in terms of his role as commander in chief in what was really a national crisis? >> i think he's done extremely well in terms of his sympathy and empathy for the groups, his visit. i think he was smart not to go into new york city, where it's too congested, too many problems. i think he's also done well in terms of showing the power of the office by just the latest move of having the military assist in delivery of fuel. it also shows up the hollowness of governor romney, his flip-flopping. for example, on the issue of fema, he was suggesting months ago that maybe you don't need a federal emergency management agency, maybe you can just let each state fend for itself. now, imagine where we would be if someone had actually taken that advice and killed fema. you would have new york, new jersey, each fighting with each other for scarce resources, for fuel, for power, for electric line repair, compe
that's a gm product that is the direct result of the president's intervention to bail out the automobile industry. >> as a former commander yourself, how do you think the president's done this week in terms of his role as commander in chief in what was really a national crisis? >> i think he's done extremely well in terms of his sympathy and empathy for the groups, his visit. i think he was smart not to go into new york city, where it's too congested, too many problems. i think he's...
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gm and chrysler went from bankruptcy to new profitability, with gm reclaiming the title of the world's biggest automaker. but the economic engine of the country itself had yet to roar. the president's policies may have prevented another great depression, but americans remain hungry for a robust recovery. >> if you look at the things that the president's accomplished, i would say it's a fair amount of the things that he wanted to get done. increasing pell grants, american opportunity tax credit, 2.5 million young people have health care now. there is a long list. the problem is, that long list, it doesn't happen overnight and it's not sort of checked off as it happens. >> and the biggest achievement of obama's first term, the landmark health care bill, was reaffirmed by the right-leaning supreme court. while the focus on obama's record has mostly been on his domestic policies, the president's impact on the world has been a game changer. >> obama! obama! if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, pho
gm and chrysler went from bankruptcy to new profitability, with gm reclaiming the title of the world's biggest automaker. but the economic engine of the country itself had yet to roar. the president's policies may have prevented another great depression, but americans remain hungry for a robust recovery. >> if you look at the things that the president's accomplished, i would say it's a fair amount of the things that he wanted to get done. increasing pell grants, american opportunity tax...
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i do have gm and nissan and toyota with bodine motors. everybody talks about this. it is the out-of-control regulation, the difficulty we have with trade issues right now. that's why mitt romney has laid out a plan to create 12 million american jobs making america more business-friendly and reducing this regulation. >> and yet, the numbers, the at least from chrysler, they felt so compelled about what mitt romney was saying on the campaign trail that they issued a statement to say, not only are they not moving jobs to china, in fact, the company has nuns announced plans to hire an additional 12,000 workers in detroit. that will contradict what you say are concerns about auto workers? >> i don't see it as a contradiction at all. i think it is a testament to american ingeneral new at this time that people move forward to manufacture in this country. epa and government regulators are making it more and more difficult every single day. this is what we hear from so many of our manufacturers, large and small. >> let me really quickly play for you a clip that the president
i do have gm and nissan and toyota with bodine motors. everybody talks about this. it is the out-of-control regulation, the difficulty we have with trade issues right now. that's why mitt romney has laid out a plan to create 12 million american jobs making america more business-friendly and reducing this regulation. >> and yet, the numbers, the at least from chrysler, they felt so compelled about what mitt romney was saying on the campaign trail that they issued a statement to say, not...
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the president of gm came out -- >> afterward. >> -- and said wrong. they have just hammered romney on this. the poignant comment to make is the political media. when you get right down to saying something that's not true, particularly in the day of fact checkers, it's dangerous. >> i would argue, debra, the fact checkers have a less. in this ad the wording is very careful. sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. it doesn't say but implies that some of those are the american jobs. >> here's what sort of drives me crazy about this. i look them up. i look them up on the ad and he gives it four pinocchios and he writes, quote, technically correct but misleading. i don't know. if it's technically correct doesn't it mean it's a two-pinocchio thing or something? bill says we expect ads to be a little misleading. >> let me get a brief comment from you. >> the romney ad, second radio ad started. he said he saved the auto industry. for ohio or china. that is not -- you know what romney's trying to say. there's no doubt what he's trying
the president of gm came out -- >> afterward. >> -- and said wrong. they have just hammered romney on this. the poignant comment to make is the political media. when you get right down to saying something that's not true, particularly in the day of fact checkers, it's dangerous. >> i would argue, debra, the fact checkers have a less. in this ad the wording is very careful. sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. it doesn't say but implies that some of...
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yes. >> look, the gm one is highly misleading. the jeep one is a total lie. if mitt romney was pressed on this in a court case, it would be perjury. you could go to jail for lying this straightforward and this obviously. so that's a huge problem for him and his trust and the fact they're doubling down on it tells you a lot about where they are at. you know, he was also pressed today to answer questions on fema. he wouldn't answer. they wouldn't state a position on affirmative action even though it was in the supreme court this year, and obama did. there are still important issues where they will not tell the truth or give any answer at all. >> and i -- he's not trying to trick the jeep workers in toledo who know the truth. >> right. >> he's trying to get other people in ohio who don't have someone at the kitchen table who can tell them exactly how it works at chrysler. >> yeah, this is sort of like targeting messaging for low-information voters. i mean to your point. >> and doing it at the last minute. >> the last minute. it's harder to rebut. and one other p
yes. >> look, the gm one is highly misleading. the jeep one is a total lie. if mitt romney was pressed on this in a court case, it would be perjury. you could go to jail for lying this straightforward and this obviously. so that's a huge problem for him and his trust and the fact they're doubling down on it tells you a lot about where they are at. you know, he was also pressed today to answer questions on fema. he wouldn't answer. they wouldn't state a position on affirmative action even...
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obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. >> before i get you to comment on it. i'm going to go to the obama ad. it is a response to this ad. obama ad called collapsed. it's a rebutle to this ad. >> when the auto industry faced collapse, mitt romney turned his back. even the conservative detroit news criticized romney for wrongheadedness on the bailout. and now, after romney's false claim of jeep out sourcing to china. >> here's what i want to know. i don't know the answer. and this is a good example. one of them's got to be wrong. who is wrong? >> well , the romney ad is technically true but misleading. one of the things he claims, it goes on to say that chrysler is going to increase production of jeeps in china. and turns out they are increasing production of jeeps in the u.s. and in china. and you are left with the misleading impression that they are moving jobs from the u.s. to china. in fact, they are increasing production in both places. >> okay. >> there's another couple factors. one is the detroit news of romney. romney 's right to say -- they criticized
obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy. >> before i get you to comment on it. i'm going to go to the obama ad. it is a response to this ad. obama ad called collapsed. it's a rebutle to this ad. >> when the auto industry faced collapse, mitt romney turned his back. even the conservative detroit news criticized romney for wrongheadedness on the bailout. and now, after romney's false claim of jeep out sourcing to china. >> here's what i want to know. i don't know the answer....
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look, candy, it's not gm. it's chrysler, first of all. >> sorry. i'm sorry. >> jeep has said they're going to reopen a facility that was closed after daimlerchrysler, you know, broke apart years ago. it will be in china to produce for the chinese market, and that's all the ad says. there's nothing inaccurate about it. those jeeps are now being produced in america, and they're being exported to china in an asian market. >> the suggestion that the jobs are being exported has been denied by the auto companies. >> well, there's -- you know, that's a suggestion that you might want to make, but, you know, that's not what the ad said. i'm delight chrysler is making an investment, and fee at is making an investment in ohio. i'm supportive of that. it's great if they want to expand production here. i hope they will. the fact is that we now are proud to send to china, to estaz wra. we export about 25% of what we make here, and so if you're going to start production facilities overseas, obviously we're going to lose some of our exports here. that's all the ad
look, candy, it's not gm. it's chrysler, first of all. >> sorry. i'm sorry. >> jeep has said they're going to reopen a facility that was closed after daimlerchrysler, you know, broke apart years ago. it will be in china to produce for the chinese market, and that's all the ad says. there's nothing inaccurate about it. those jeeps are now being produced in america, and they're being exported to china in an asian market. >> the suggestion that the jobs are being exported has...
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at the time a lot of us said as gm goes, so goes the obama presidency. you know there, have been so many bailouts, we are kind of numb to it, but this really is a big one. it's kennedy in the steel industry, it's reagan in the air traffic controllers, it is truman in the big railroad. this is a big moment. >> and on tuesday, this race could come down to how that decision has echoed in the state of ohio where government spending wasn't popular and neither was health care. three cruel summers began with the angry town halls in 2009 that soured the public on the health care law that eventually passed. of course there was that 2010 bp oil spill which shook faith in government a little bit. republicans won the house with the largest gain for either party since 1948. >> this is something that i think every president needs to go through. now, i'm not recommending for every future president that they took a shellacking like i did last night. >> after that, the debt ceiling crisis in 2011. and then the president began to string together a few victories. it starte
at the time a lot of us said as gm goes, so goes the obama presidency. you know there, have been so many bailouts, we are kind of numb to it, but this really is a big one. it's kennedy in the steel industry, it's reagan in the air traffic controllers, it is truman in the big railroad. this is a big moment. >> and on tuesday, this race could come down to how that decision has echoed in the state of ohio where government spending wasn't popular and neither was health care. three cruel...
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he's the guy in favor of business but yet the heads of the -- the ceos of chrysler and gm had to come out and say you're lie being us and you're going to hurt our sales with your lies. he's not really keeping up with business there, but i have to tell you also, earlier this week he got subsumed by the sandy coverage as it should have, but i put out a story with another videotape in which mitt romney talking to a fund-raiser earlier this year says, you know, there's a better business environment in china than the united states. well, why is that? it's because they have no worker protections, no environmental -- >> they have no human rights, david. >> and low wages. so is he saying he wants to bring us back to that point? like to the days of cal coolidge as joy suggests? >> david, yes. >> there's a lot going on that doesn't compute and when it does compute it's rather scary. >> there's something called the moonlight magnolia theory of economics. the south practices it right now. when you strip away unions and you can lower wages, businesses are more profitable. that's why wall street --
he's the guy in favor of business but yet the heads of the -- the ceos of chrysler and gm had to come out and say you're lie being us and you're going to hurt our sales with your lies. he's not really keeping up with business there, but i have to tell you also, earlier this week he got subsumed by the sandy coverage as it should have, but i put out a story with another videotape in which mitt romney talking to a fund-raiser earlier this year says, you know, there's a better business environment...